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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 5, 2011 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Oct.-Dec 69'

As we all know this is a transitional period for the band,they were beginning to explore their country/country rock roots and move away some from the psychedelic/blues/rock idiom they had established.That would be reflected in the 25 shows they played between 10/25 and 12/31,and actually stretched into the first 10 shows of 1970 before TC left the band. In June Jerry broke out the pedal steel, Me and My Uncle and Silver Threads returned to the setlist,Green,Green Grass of Home,Direwolf High Time,Mama Tried and Slewfoot all made their debut,so even a few months prior to the shift, changes were in the air.

The band undertook their fall /winter schedule with another batch of new songs Mason's Chidren,Easy Wind,New Speedway Boogie,Black Peter,Uncle John's Band and Cumberland Blues.With a wealth of new material and a mind towards changing their sound, the more exploratory part of the repertoire Dark Star and the Other One suite were played only 9 times each over the 25 show run.While there certainly were many good versions of Dark Star and the Other One over the next two years,I feel the improvisatory part of the catalog suffered due to the new direction until Keith's arrival in 10/71.I recently re- listened to the run of shows from Oct.-Dec. and was struck by the uniqueness of the time period.Below are my impressions of that music in hopes it would generate some conversation about an interesting era in the bands history.

10/24-There are only six songs available from the show,but we get a good High Time and the second Easy Wind.
10/25-The Dark Star opens with a loose theme jam ->2:00 Jer leads spacey shuffle,good Phil -> nice Jer leads->4:00 strong take on theme->loose space->6:00 odd theme jam->7:00 1st verse->8:15 Jer out front,nice licks,deep Phil,band sounds good->out space music->10:00 soft space-> edgy space,loud deep Phil->12:00 Jer plays strong piercing leads,band stomps ->Feelin' Groovy jam(earliest known version)->14:00 riffy space->Feelin' Groovy->16:00 Tighten Up jam-> edgy,swirling vibe->18:00 mellow riffy Jer on top->ringin', Jer,pumpin' Phil,swirling Weir,hot guitar blend->20:00 theme jam->2nd verse->21:45 transition jam->22:01,a fairly regular version.The band just rips the 11 at this show,a tight swingin' version.Stephen Stills joins in on the Lovelight and adds some very nice guitar as well as vocals.After the box-back nitties line at about 9:00 Stills peels off some raunchy leads and later on the band is roarin' at about 16:30 Stills rips a few more leads followed by some cookin' rhythm guitar and beltin' out some vocals with Pig and Weir,a very interesting version.
10/26-seven songs available,a good Easy Wind and Hard to Handle,though I don't like TC's cheesy calliope sound on HTH.
10/31-no highlights
11/1-features a good Dire Wolf and High Time
11/2-A good Cold Rain,Death Don't,a real good 11.Dark Star-open->full band on theme jam->2:00 Jer plays some real spacey leads,good TC ->nice Jer piercers,good full band jam->4:00 deep enveloping Phil,sharp Jer repeaters,big sound,band is on->6:00 TC out front with fluid,lots of notes Jer->quiet soft jam,real pretty->very mellow circus like TC->8:00 Jer/TC weave nice licks,Phil quiet underneath ->9:30 1st verse->10:45 Jer strums soft space leads,mellow Phil,loopy soft organ->12:00 full band relaxed,out music,taut string bending,clanking percussion,swirling scary organ->14:00 quiet space,Jer riffs,lots of cymbals,full Phil->pretty sing-song guitar vibe,Phil is right on Jer->scary,soft musiC->17:00 strange childrens music feel-> nice full band loose groove->19:00 Jer out front,sort of soul infused Feelin' Groovy jam,band gets on it with Jer-> Jer picks real nice licks on odd Feelin' Groovy/Tighten Up jam,Jer is rollin'->22:30 full on Tighten Up jam->25:00 music slows to a crawl,sweet odd jam,real good organ->26:45 back on theme->28:00 Jer plays slow loopy theme leads->2nd verse->29:45 transition jam,really interesting version,well played.
11/7-Raw,rockin' China Cat with strong Phil and the only good Other One of the 9 played in this run of shows.
11/8-One of Dick's more puzzling picks because entire show is mediocre,save a Caution with some fun parts.
11/15-Next Time You See Me cooks with some nice guitars and Jer was still singing this one with Pig at the time.Also a Lovelight notable only due to it's 41:53 length.
11/21-Good China Cat and an excellent High Time with a highly emotive vocal.
12/4-First Black Peter,different ,good High Time and China Cat.Dark Star-open->lead Phil with TC,Jer underneath->loose loopy jam ->2:00 soft jam on theme,Jer picks leads,good Phil,swirling TC->5:00 spacey jam->7:00 still spacey,quiet jam on theme,nice repeat Jer licks,solid Phil->10:00 odd staggered take on theme,good drums->strange spacey jam->13:00 Jer out front on theme->13:45 1st verse->15:00 deep Phil->full blown space,band sounds/feels like wind chimes->17:00 TC swirls villain style,Phil mellow throb,Jer picks sofly and quietly->19:00 music is gently creepy,intensity increases->21:00 Jer plays some sharp riffs,band jams along,deep Phil,TC stabs organ->nice full band groove,everyone plays something good ->24:00 Jer rips mild style,band sound swells,good flowing jam sort of on theme,music is real good->26:00 Jer cooks some licks,Phil pumps,crunchy licks on theme-> really nice theme jam->28:45 second verse->30:00 transition jam,another well played interesting version.
12/5-Good Cumberland and a killer Baby Blue,you hear the taper(?) saying Baby Blue,"it's that Bob Dylan song".It is a crying shame this song didn't get more play throughout the 60's and 70's.
12/7-lame show
12/10-Stephen Stills sits in again on a fine Morning Dew,at about 6:30 Jer plays some nice runs and Stills finishes Jerry's leads really nicely,and after the vocal Jer and Stephen get into a trade off run,a real good blend,sounds killer.Then they play a raunchy version Of Stills Black Queen,sloppy 60's rock at it's finest.
12/11-A good Casey Jones,Black Peter,Dark Star and a smokin' China Cat.
12/12-A good China Cat,High Time,Alligator and very good Easy Wind and Lovelight.
12/13-A good Casey Jones,a real good Black Peter with strong ,stinging riffs and nicely sung.Once again a smokin' China Cat and real fine Lovelight.
12/19-1st Masons Children and it's good.
12/20-Good China Cat,1st New Speedway Boogie is different and a hot Masons Children.
12/21-no highlights
12/26-A good China Cat-> Rider,High Time and the only Masters Bouquet.
12/28-An interesting Black Peter,hot Masons Children and Lovelight
12/29-Good Black Peter
12/30-no highlights
12/31-Smokin' Masons Children and an excellent High Time.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-10-25.sbd.jagla.81.sbefail.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-11-02.sbd.miller.32273.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-12-04.sbd.cotsman.9496.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-12-10.sbd.barbella.8214.sbeok.sbeok.shnf




This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2011-12-06 06:04:43

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 7, 2011 12:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I revisited some of 12/30 and 12/31/69...
12/30 was always kind of a neglected show for me, partly because the sound quality of my tape was pitiful (and even the best copy on the Archive is not too pristine), partly because of the dreadful cuts.
(There's hope, though: according to deadlists the Vault copy is 20 minutes longer.)
The Dark Star is wonderful (if not as spectacular as 1/2/70), and I was swept away in the magical flow of the jams - nonetheless, 12/31 struck me as the better show, more crackling & fun.
The 12/30 Alligator jam, for instance, dissipates very quickly, and they kind of give up at the end; whereas the Alligator jam on 12/31 reaches some very hot moments. (I remember how awestruck I was when I first heard it.) The Eleven also seemed sharper on 12/31, and the show in general more upbeat. (It helps that the sound quality is so much better, too.)
The big jams tend to be pretty loose & laid-back, and often (perhaps due to the mix) become Phil/Jerry duets that remind me of the 1968 Hartbeats shows. (The small-room ambience also lends to this feeling.) This is somewhat "relaxed Dead" compared to the Dead of early '69...

Anyway, if I were to rank this Boston run by preference, it would probably be 12/31 - 12/29 - 12/30. 12/29 has seemed an undersung show of the period to me, filled with highlights & fiery nonstop Garcia solos (for instance in Hard to Handle or Dancing). With some of the intensity of 12/28 and so many raw rockin' jams, 12/29 is more like a 1970 show than late '69.
(If I were to be critical, I'd note that some of the jams are less varied & dynamic than they would become in 1970, as here Garcia seems to tackle every solo the same way with little variation - but you can hear where the jams are headed.)
An earlier post where I talked about 12/29:
http://www.archive.org/post/152191/masons-children-december-69

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 7, 2011 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I can't disagree that there is a different feel to this run of shows,maybe a sense of change in the texture and attack on the way the music sounds,the music has a more relaxed feel,less hurried.While there is some fine playing on a lot of the songs over the run,very few sustain it enough throughout the song to produce memorable versions for me.I find bits and pieces of all the songs you mentioned in your revisit to be interesting,but amongst that I find a lot dull and searching playing.I am surprised that you like the 12/30 Dark Star as much as you do,I found the opening jam enjoyable,Jerry has a nice sharp tone and deliberate feel,sort of mournful and that works it way into a Jer/Phil duet of snappy,smooth runs at about 6 minutes,they do the verse and jam around and arrive at about 13:30 with Jer playing some good leads and the band joins in nicely,as that trails off into a series of thematic jams which I found rather dull and unimaginative.My overall feeling about this run and era is that the band is in a rut,looking for a spark.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 7, 2011 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

For me, there's no dull 1969 Dark Star, and I think the one on 12/30 is mostly excellent - while not blazing new trails, it succeeds in opening a portal to the next dimension. The only place it falters is in the last few minutes - there is no climax; they drift a bit & keep things at a very low boil.
There's a very gentle opening jam which builds nicely up to the verse. Then we get a long & luscious space with chimes tinkling & cymbals crashing. Jerry ends the space with a nice Sputnik section, and they head into a pretty melodic jam after that.
And here, after 16/17 minutes or so, they seem to run out of gas for a bit - they go quiet, and tentatively try out the Feelin' Groovy jam for a bit without much result. They seem to be looking for a path but not finding it. There's a nice pattern right at the end which seems to be heading somewhere - but alas, it cuts right there.
I'd like to think they recovered and found their way to a grand melodic climax; but maybe they just went to the second verse from there. At any rate, despite being very low-key, I still think this is 3/4ths of a great Dark Star.

It also fits the rest of the set in being rather subdued. I kind of wish they'd saved Dark Star til the 31st, when their playing was more spirited - even better, that they'd done it both nights...
Anyway, I always consider Dark Star a show highlight, and particularly so in the second half of '69, when sometimes they'll be bumbling around unable to play anything right, and then somehow pull an entrancing magical Star out of a hat, like a candle in the darkness.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 8, 2011 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Let me say that even a "dull" Dark Star can be an enjoyable,interesting listen.I just found this one to have no highlight, nothing to point to as memorable passage or idea,not good nor bad.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 6, 2011 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I can attest to the fact that this is a neglected window of the early era for me for just the reasons you highlight...as I was going through shows from the 69-70 sequence, those in the fall of 69 always stood apart. I don't mean this in ANY sense of my sitting down as you have, and taken notes, analysis--what have you, but merely, playing time on my part.

I look back and all of 68, then spring til Jun or so of 69 gets a lot of play time, but only the early Nov shows of fall 69 have much in the way of playback the past five yrs with me. Starts up again in Jan, 70, through all of that yr and 71.

Anyway, this all means squat, but I can't think of a show from Aug, Sep or Oct of 69 that was ever a "go to" kind of show for me, the way I can for other months on either side of this period...

Good job.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 6, 2011 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

i thought well enough of 10/25 to actually burn it to CD, although it has been a few years since last listen...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 6, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Yes, it's funny that Aug, 69 was a month for which I had a lg number of shows, and sprinkled through the fall as well, but somehow all I ever recall from this time period is the a) introduction of all the new material (which often requires some working out, on stage), b) consequent reduction in the attn to the "suites" that so dominate the first half of 69, and c) use of UJB theme in DS, which at the time, REALLY got me going (ie, when I "discovered" it was there sometime back...).

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 6, 2011 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

WT, give 10/25 a re-listen for old time's sake:

DS >
StS >
11 >
LL

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 6, 2011 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

You saying that got me to wondering when I last actually burned anything to CD and I honestly don't know when, or what, it might have been. The vast majority of my listening is via decent quality (320kbps) mp3s through desktop speakers or headphones - if there's a detectable difference between that and lossless it's not significant enough to spoil my listeing pleasure. I've got a stack of lossless files stored awayin case I ever do decide to start burning CDs again, but I doubt I'll ever get around to doing it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 6, 2011 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Ha--well, I've done more than enough for the both of you (Arb & you that is)...when I started here, and to this day, I had to be able to play it through the home stereo system and the car: thus, CD req'd (I know not strictly speaking, but for this Luddite, yes). I have somehow never viewed the sound from my tiny little portable PC being a listening experience (again, MY limitation for sure) that seems right, and only do the headphones thing via the ipod at the gym (there I feel safe; around the house or yard, things always come up that make me feel like "with my ears covered, something's about to happen that requires my full auditory sensory input", even if it's just to hear the neighbor yelling that I about to step on the wrong end of a rake).

That said, my wall of DEAD CDs, next to the DVD movie collection, though impressive looking enough, doesn't get nearly the use it once did...I am not even sure the kids will fight over it, other than to determine "hey, maybe if we post a note at that website he always was babbling about, we can pay someone from there to come get them!?"

;)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 6, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Oh I've definitely done my fair share of CD burning, though unlike you I don't have wall space for them and they are, ahem,'filed' in their hundreds in boxes under my desk in a cupboard where most of my (now also largely unplayed) commercial CDs reside. I guess I do most of my listening at the computer because this is 'my' space and I don't have to hijack other areas of the house to get my music fix.

Like you, I was reluctant to use headphones, always wondering what might be going on that I didn't know about. When I realized that not knowing what was going on was just the natural order of things I worried less about the headphones.

Let's hope the Tell Memorial Library doesn't get broken up any time soon.

edit: Note that should read 'under my desk AND in a cupboard'- I don't actually work in a cupboard. (They just put me back in it at night.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 6, 2011 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Bingo! Therein lies (lays? damn it...) the myth: I hold onto this approach solely because I rest easier imagining that the house is MY space, but the reality is I never actually can so dominate the local acoustic environment.

But, as so many environmentalists have pointed out, it's like the Wilderness: whether I actually ever go there or not, I take great comfort in knowing it exists. I will say I am taken with the thought of you working in a cupboard with Tidybowl and Drano while listening, as it brings new meaning to the notion of "toxic work environment".

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 6, 2011 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Your mention of a DVD collection going unused is also true farther south here in the Compound. In the old days I would gladly take 2-3 hours and watch a good concert (of course way back then it was VHS, and for you I'm guessing it would have been flipping through a bunch of daguerreotypes). These days I can't say that I can do the same thing. If it isn't a lack of spare time, then it's the little voice in my head telling me that there are better uses of my time. OK, OK, more often than not the "little voice" is that of the Mrs. Even though I've got a stack of different artists' concerts on DVD that I rarely if ever sit and watch, I can't bring myself to let them go and still buy the occasional new one (the Dead Movie being a prime example). I guess that could technically make me a "hoarder", but at one time or another weren't we all? I mean, when your tape collection topped out at over 200, how many of those actually got listened to? But let them go? Hell no.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 6, 2011 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Following on your remark about daguerrotypes I was going to make some wisecrack along the lines of you no doubt shelling out for a Grateful Dead flipbook if such a thing was available. Then I got to wonder if there actually was such a thing - and, wouldn't you know it, there is. Sort of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfRwApCEJR0

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 6, 2011 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

This brings up a question.

Who is wasting more time?

1. The dude who obviously devoted hours and hours to compose the flip book
2. You, for actually performing the search to find it
-or-
3. Me, for once again reading your one of your posts

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 6, 2011 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I think flipdude just about edges it, but you can always demand a recount.

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 6, 2011 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Hi Rob, if my workplace was like yours, no co-workers (not that I give a shit about forcing the Dead down their lugholes), and decent equipment I wouldn't be burning as much as I do. But given my environment and the fact that an amazingly generous guy with the handle 'Germain' has recently been spoiling us rotten on etree with '66 '67 '68 Nero has been my Emporer of choice for a good few weeks now.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 6, 2011 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

oh, i rarely do so any more (burn to CD that is) for myself, but i will still do so for those friends/family of mine who are not as environmentally conscientious as you and i, saving the world 1 kilobyte at a time

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 5, 2011 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

An interesting post!
I'll also be focusing more on this period in a post next year - at the moment, I don't have much time to comment so I'll just make a few minor, random points. My highlights list would be quite different from yours so I won't get into that...

Aside from the shift to more country-rock songs, these months also see a shift towards more straight-rock songs, with NFA and Dancing and Mason's getting added to the sets. (Good Lovin' had also been added that summer; Hard to Handle finally started heating up; and the rare Midnight Hour also started showing up again.) These add a lot of pep & a more hard-edged range of jamming to the shows of Dec '69 & early 1970.
A Transitional Period - the Dead were always in transition. I think this is an overused term: it seems to be used in general for periods the listener thinks are lacking. It's a rise-and-fall view of the Dead centered around 'peak' periods. You never hear, "oh, 2/28/69, 2/13/70, 8/27/72, 5/8/77, those were transitional shows..." But they were. Myself, I prefer early '69 to late '69, but the Dead weren't standing still during the Live/Dead era; it was one spot in a ceaseless process of change.
Granted, fall '69 does see kind of a slump in energy & psychedelia in the Dead's shows - sometimes the Dead changed in rapid & awkward ways. The 'transitional' tag is more obvious in this period, I think, because the Dead were adding a LOT of new songs in 1969, and working them out onstage. Later on, songs would be added in batches, during tour breaks, sounding finished from the start - here they get dropped in one by one, often quite raggedly, sometimes taking months before reaching their "official" form. This marks a significant change from the setlist stasis of late '68/early '69.
SQ - In general, the tapes from early/mid-'69 seem to sound better than from late '69. A lot of shows from these months sound kind of dark & muffled to me - some of them have a lot of 'room sound' (like the AUDs) - but others are quite clear. Combined with the change in setlists & style, this makes the Dead come across more as a small-club band than intergalactic travellers...
And for what it's worth, Garcia switches to the Strat (in September, I think), and Constanten becomes nearly irrelevant in this period.

10/24 - not the second Easy Wind; there had been at least five before then, and it was much more 'settled' in October than it had been back in August.
10/25 - not the first Feelin' Groovy jam in Dark Star; I think there was one (less easily heard, though) in the 9/26/69 Star. Important to note that the Dead were starting to regularly use new thematic/melodic 'anchors' in the Dark Star jams.
The UJB jam - I know you're not much into thematic jams, but some of us find the UJB jams from 11/1, 11/7, and 11/8 quite fascinating, especially as it shows how the song sounded before there were words. It became a lot more muted in feel when they started singing it.
China Cat - You note, correctly, that this was an especially strong period for China Cat jams. It had just been joined with Rider in September, and the transitions over the next few months I always thought were excellent - it started to get a lot more rigid & formatted in 1970.
11/2 - here was an interesting thread on the 11/2 Dark Star, in which I also offered some thoughts on the unusual 12/4 Dark Star: http://www.archive.org/post/332258/tdih-feeling-groovy-jam-and-gt-tighten-up-jam-reprise
12/7 - didn't impress me either; but it was the day after Altamont. I expect their spirits were pretty low.
12/10 - Stills plays in several songs; Black Queen is really great. After his two '69 appearances, one wishes he'd shown up some more in the early '70s (like Crosby) instead of waiting til 1983.
12/12 - the strongest Caution>feedback of this period. The Alligator jams of late '69 are very similar to each other; looser & more relaxed than the ones from early '69.
12/19 - not just the first Mason's, but also the first acoustic set; talk about a transition... The audiences here & in Dallas seem to take it in stride.
12/21 - first NFA. Different, because they haven't quite worked it out yet.
12/29 - though I'm generally not listing my highlights, this is my favorite Mason's, and I thought a generally rockin' show. And I think much of the jamming on 12/30 & 12/31 is fascinating - granted, a lot more subdued than they were a year before, or even 6 months previous - but it has a searching feel. And then they conclude the year with a set of 'golden oldies' like a tired old bar band... Admittedly, the next shows at Fillmore East on 1/2 & 1/3/70 are hotter (as usual), but these Boston shows have a quiet charm for me.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 6, 2011 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Thanks for the ample response Lia and let me preface my comments by saying I literally forgot to add my disclaimer to the post stating that it might not be factually up to the standards of LIA and could contain a few errors as to my sources being questionable,and not quite as well written as one by LIA or Cliff,for it is obviously not my strong suit.
That being said it is a wide ranging topic in which I was not trying to cover all bases,thus really just focused on the change in direction to a more country based sound on a number of songs and the effect it had on the edgier music,and a listing of the performances I thought were good to outstanding to get some feedback on what other folks liked.Outside of adding and losing Keith in the lineup I find the transition that took place in 69' to be the biggest in the history of the band,acoustic based country music,a move away from psychedelia,a different feel on the new blues tunes,same with the new rock tunes,it was also a precursor to Jerry becoming the focal point over Pigpen,it took awhile but the seeds were planted.I know people blather on about Jerry getting a new guitar or wearing a red t-shirt as a transition,but 69' was the epitome of a transition for the GD.I did not mention the acoustic sets for I didn't feel Jerry and Bob playing a few acoustic songs constituted an acoustic set in comparison to what would happen in 70'.
I will join you saying I much prefer early 69',and as to the thematic jams I don't think I ever expressed myself clearly on them.It is not so much that I don't like them,to the contrary,when well played,stretched out and experimented on I very much enjoy them,but when they drop 3-5 minutes of riffing on Tighten Up or UJB into the middle of Dark Star I could live without it,for the most part it seemed to be forced and clumsy most of the time,as opposed to a fluid and genuine musical statement to be added and included into the flow of the music.More so my preference would be a 72' version with bombast and cacophony as opposed interweaving a catchy ditty into the mix.I also lament Stills not being a much more frequent guest as I found him amongst the best guests they ever had sit in with them,he truly integrated himself into the music,more so than any one but Cippolina.He stood toe to toe and exchanged leads,played rhythm guitar,joined in on vocals and he knew the music well enough to do those things,I can't say I think much of his other endeavors, but quite liked him with the GD.
Thanks to Cliff,RD and Tell for your responses.
Cliff I knew you would check in as you have always touted that Ark run,what can I say,I have great respect for your knowledge and share many of your likes as far as the music goes,but on occasion we differ as to our opinions on certain shows,just have to chalk it up to different strokes...
RD, I will give that Cumberland another go,and point well taken about the spacing as I am one of those geezers and confused myself when reading the post as it appeared on the forum,you can' really see what it is going to look like when typing into that small blue box.
Mr. Tell,however you accumulated your wisdom in matters concerning the GD is of no importance,you might undersell your knowledge,but I always find your comments insightful and interesting,thanks for taking the time to respond for I know you don't often check in on GD threads.

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Poster: boat man Date: Dec 8, 2011 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I don't read the posts everyday, and you probably think I'm a nub, anyway, but I, too, commend you on a well chosen and thought provoking thread.
It had me scrambeling through my shows and taking some notes.
The time you spent was well used and I like your method of review. I generally do appreciate your commentary.
Thanks for that.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 8, 2011 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

No sir,I hold no grudges and appreciate the kind words,and feel free to call me on any occasion when you feel I am acting the fool,which should give you ample opportunity.

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Poster: thekind78 Date: Dec 8, 2011 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

While the "Tighten Up" portion of 11-02's DS interlude is perhaps a bit forced the transition in,and the playing of, the "Feelin' Groovy" jam is quite organic and absolutely exhilarating...not that anyone asked, but I couldn't resist dropping my $.02. A truly wonderful show from start to finish.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 8, 2011 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I agree and pointed it out in my initial post that I thought that jam was particularly well played,as far as your two-cents,that is what this place for and appreciate you taking the time to contribute to the thread.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 6, 2011 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Terrific post, though it looks to me like you got a little burned out there at the end. "No highlights" on 12/30/69? It's packed with highlights and might be a top-ten show of 1969. In fact all three Tea Party gigs are fantastic performances.

And 12/28, gnarly as it is, is one of my very favorite shows. The vocals are sketchy, and the recording runs real hot, but that music will strip the paint off your walls. I know LIA prefers the performance of Mason's Children from 12/29. It's tighter and the jamming a bit more cohesive. But for me, nothing beats those two extended instrumental breaks during the 12/28 Mason's.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 6, 2011 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Great post jerlou! I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said, but I agree with all your highlights. For 12/28 I think the Cumberland deserves a mention. One of the hottest ones they ever played, and I also think no other version of Mason's comes close. They have never jammed like that on any other version.

The 11/02 DS was my favorite version several years ago. It has since been replaced by the DP36 one and a few others, but 11/02 is hell of a fun time. Not just the DS.

Really nice post though. These insightful posts are a rare breed at this point in the LMA's history. My only suggestion would be to use more spaces next time to separate all that text. Might be too cluttered and confusing for the senior citizens here :P

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-12-06 17:06:07

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 6, 2011 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I'm generally not a fan of this era of the band minus a few exceptions, believe it or not... to me it is just too loose and laid back compared to the bone-crushing intensity of the Jan-Feb. shows or the psychedelic power of Apr-June.

That said I really like your analysis for the most part, as there are a handful shows from Fall '69 that I have yet to explore.

One thing that surprised me was that you found the 10/25 Dark Star to be just "regular" as this to me is one of the most outstanding moments of these shows...the rest of the 10/25 show, on the other hand, does absolutely nothing for me. The subjectivity of it all is fascinating, isn't it?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 6, 2011 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Yeah CC,I couldn't agree more about the subjectivity,oft times I find myself in agreement with your opinion so I was surprised when in your review of 10/25 you didn't care for the 11, which I think is just a killer.I'm not real big on a lot of the 69'-Oct 71' material, but that being said I really like what I find good.

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Poster: mklsgl Date: Dec 8, 2011 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

I've tossed this around previously in other 11/2 DS threads. I hear a jam of CTA's "Beginnings" after "Feelin' Groovy" (listen closely from the 16:00 mark > 25:00 mark) but I'll happily/humbly concede that distinguishing "Tighten Up" from "Beginnings" from "Feelin' Groovy" in some mashed hybrid (GD!) form is problematic unless you know the chord progressions and have the ability to define what's what (I don't). Love these discussions!!!!!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 8, 2011 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oct.-Dec 69'

Yeah,one of your posts about Beginnings got me going and made me do some very close listening and I was in agreement that at some point it sounded very much like Beginnings,and on more than one version of Dark Star from that period,but like you I don't have the musical chops for a scholarly dissection.